Welcome to Further. Faster. in association with Montane. My name is Daniel Neilson and in this series of podcasts I speak to ultra athletes, climbers, explorers and mountaineers to understand how they do what they do and why they do what they do. In this month's podcast, I speak to someone who perhaps has delved deeper than most into these questions.

If you're a climber you'll know Jerry Moffatt, he's one of the best, of all time. We speak primarily about the theories behind Mastermind, a manual of sorts for better climbing. Not the physical, not the route choice, but the psychological. It's at once alarming and affirming, insightful and exciting. I'm not a climber, but I left this conversation learning so much about what we can do to achieve our goals. This is a conversation about life, not climbing. Listen in.